Al Gore. Yes, really.
Al Gore, speaking at a MoveOn PAC rally about the extreme right wing crusade against the filibuster:
It is no accident that this assault on the integrity of our constitutional design has been fueled by a small group claiming special knowledge of God's will in American politics. They even claim that those of us who disagree with their point of view are waging war against "people of faith."
How dare they?
Long before our founders met in Philadelphia, their forbears first came to these shores to escape oppression at the hands of despots in the old world who mixed religion with politics and claimed dominion over both their pocketbooks and their souls.
This aggressive new strain of right-wing religious zealotry is actually a throw-back to the intolerance that led to the creation of America in the first place.
James Madison warned us in Federalist #10 that sometimes, "A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction."
Damn straight.
I have absolutely no respect for anyone who claims the United States of America is a Christian nation. Morons, each and every one of them. These people are loudly proclaiming their ignorance, arrogant in their stupidity, showing off for all to see their inability to reason at even the most elementary level. And, no, I will most definitely *not* retract that statement because it is based in fact. Anyone making such a claim is demonstrating a complete and total ignorance of basic American history. This nation was founded deliberately as a non-religious country. The people who came here were quite well aware of the effects of mixing religion with politics, and more often than not they were religious minorities in their countries of origin who were fleeing religious persecution. This radical right wing notion that the separation of church and state is a myth is so incredibly stupid that it would be funny were it not for the millions of gullible and/or ignorant people who believe it.
Why do liberals argue about the presence of the word "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? It's harmless, right? Why do progressives roll their eyes when told that the presence of the word "God" on our money is proof of the religious, no Christian, nature of our country? It isn't hurting anybody, right? Why be such an over-sensitive whiner? Because symbols matter! Every time liberals and moderates let the extremists in the Religious Right sneak in another reference to the so-called Christianity of our country is another step the dominionists gain in their battle to turn this nation into a theocracy.
It can't happen? Oh, really? Are you watching the GOP? Did you see them interfere in a family's medical decision because of their so-called culture of life (you want to support life, how about feeding the starving instead of hypocritically giving another tax cut to the rich)? Pay close attention to Bill Frist, Tom Delay, and Karl Rove as they claim that democrats are anti-faith, prejudiced against Christians, because we don't want to give radical nut-cases lifetime appointments to the federal courts. See, these right wing Christians are persecuted whenever they aren't given complete control over every aspect of everyone else's lives. News flash: despite the attempt of the born-again fundamentalists to hijack the term, the definition of a Christian is one who believes Jesus was the Christ. There are a heck of a lot of liberals who believe in Jesus, but don't believe America should be a theocracy. In fact, over 80% of the population of this country believes in Jesus. Oddly, there are just as many liberal Christians as there are conservative Christians. They're just quieter about it. Maybe they believe faith is a personal matter, not something to be exploited for political or financial gain. What a crazy idea...
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Comments
Posted by David Bockes At 08:13:06 AM On 05/01/2005 | - Website - |
Nice- very well put. I have an uncle who's a Presbyterian minister and he's what I'd call a bleeding heart (shameless plug of a book he wrote: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0884895661/qid=1115055618/sr=1-39/ref=sr_1_39/103-8512182-3228613?v=glance&s=books)
I agree in general with what you put forth here. I'm pretty conservative and I don't believe that religion should be thrown in to politics. In fact, I don't think it belongs in a lot of places.
"It's my destiny to win- I have asked God to help me win."
Whatever. What about the other guy also asking God to help him win?
I feel a rant brewing about that- I'll spare you here, but I've been seeing a lot of religious pontificating and posturing lately that is repulsive.
Good post- although, I still want "God" on our money and in the Pledge. I understand what you're saying and I can process it mentally, but not having those things there scares me. There I said it.
Posted by Tom At 10:42:12 AM On 05/02/2005 | - Website - |
symbols matter. yes indeed they do. way more than most of us will ever ever know.
Posted by jonvon At 07:19:01 AM On 05/03/2005 | - Website - |
I'm an extreme right wing Christian, and even though I disagree with a lot (actually, most) of what our government does, the idea of injecting my religion into the government is morally repugnant.
(Holy crap, I cannot believe that I'm actually in agreement with Al Gore on something -get ready, cause the Rapture is coming!)
Any time I hear that we should get God back into our schools or our government, I get really pissed. Granted, I'd love to see the day when everybody comes to Christ, but these folks who want to legislate it are missing the most important point: forced compliance is not belief, which means if they are successful all they will have created is a nation of liars, a country full people professing a belief they do not hold. Which, last time I checked my Bible, is a sin.
True salvation is based on a personal choice to believe, it cannot be forced. As a Christian, it is my duty to spread the Good News of Christ; but forcing somebody to follow my beliefs under threat of a gun (all governmental power is ultimately derived from the threat of violence by the State) is quite simply wrong. Not only is it wrong, but it violates one of the most important rights granted to us by God -the right to choose our own beliefs, the right to follow our own path. God wants us to choose to follow Him. Forcing somebody to follow God robs them of that choice.
-Devin.
Posted by Devin Olson At 12:10:52 PM On 05/12/2005 | - Website - |
Somebody give that man a freakin' prize! Or - better yet - a megaphone or a live interview on CNN/Fox/MSNBC.
If we had more "extreme right wing Christians" like Devin (though I think the description on your blog is more fully representative: "Christian, liberal, right-wing gun nut, tree hugging, 4 wheel driving, peace loving, home brewing computer geek"), and more old-fashioned conservatives like Tom (or at least that's my evaluation of Tom's position on the political spectrum - emphasis on the old-fashioned, and I mean that in a good way - he might disagree), the country would be in good hands.
I get peeved when certain people claim to speak for all Christians. Heck, they don't even speak for all *conservative* Christians, as you guys show quite clearly.
Ironically, Devin, I think some of these effort are self-defeating for the ultimate goal of spreading the Good News. When the Supreme Court says, effectively, we can leave the reference to God in the Pledge of Allegiance because there's no real religious meaning to the phrase in that context, exactly why is this a good thing? If people are tossing around references to God but not meaning anything at all by it, isn't that a problem? Call me crazy, but when I was a Christian that would have really bothered me. It even bugs me now, when I have no personal stake in it. Trying to make sure God is everywhere in our government or society obviously seems like a good idea to some people, but I wonder if they've thought it all the way through. If the people saying the words ("under God" or "God bless America" or...) don't have personal faith, then those words are worse than meaningless - they're sacrilegious.
Posted by Captain O At 06:50:34 PM On 05/12/2005 | - Website - |
Posted by Nate At 06:15:59 AM On 05/29/2005 | - Website - |