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Notes on Depression


No, not that kind of Notes...

I've been struggling with my depression lately.  I had to postpone an article for The View and I withdrew as a speaker from The View's Admin/Developer 2009 in Boston.  I haven't blogged much, either about technology or about politics (even though I'm thrilled with President Obama).  I haven't written any cool, new code using the techniques I learned at Lotusphere.  I haven't done a lot of things.  Since this disease (I call it The Black Beast) is preventing me from writing about anything else, I decided to write about it. 

Note:  I've mentioned this before (here), so if you've been reading this blog for long you shouldn't be surprised to hear about it.  You also shouldn't be surprised to hear that I'm not interested in sympathy.  Lots of people have things much tougher than I do.  Everyone who has lost their job deserves your sympathy.  Starving children deserve your sympathy.  People wounded or those who lost family members in war deserve your sympathy.  In the larger scheme of things, I'm not doing badly at all. 

Depression is one of those annoying diseases that behave differently in different people.  Worse, you can't see it and you can't test for it.  So part of the problem for depressed people is explaining what is wrong.  Some of the symptoms tend to be consistent, but the details are not reliably predictable.  Ordinary (read: non-depressed people who are not medical professionals) expect depression to involve sadness.  Sometimes it does.  But often it does not.  I can't describe what it's like for other people, but I'll write down the ways it affects me.  Maybe it will help someone deal with the depressed person in their lives.

1.  First, yes, it IS difficult to get out of bed in the morning.  No, I'm NOT being lazy and just sleeping in.  First, I'm probably tired.  When I'm depressed, I tend to be tired more often than not.  Paradoxically, I also have a lot of trouble sleeping.  You may have noticed that this can easily become an infinite loop.  But the trouble getting out of bed is about more than exhaustion, because it applies even when I'm well rested.  Why is it hard to get out of bed?  Because everything I can think of that might happen once I do is either meaningless or negative.  Which leads me to point number two:

2.  When I'm depressed, it's impossible to summon enthusiasm for anything.  I become extremely apathetic.  Oddly, this doesn't apply to problems, glitches, and issues that come up.  Rather than not caring about those, I overreact to them enormously.  The most minor issue becomes and absolute road block.  Any difficulty I can imagine becomes an irrefutable reason to avoid doing something. 

Aside:  How apathetic do I get?  Sometimes I stop reading books because I can't get interested in any of them.  Usually when that happens, I go back to a book I've enjoyed in the past and use the memories to brighten my day a bit.  Sometimes that doesn't work, though, and I just avoid starting any books. Now, I LOVE reading.  So allow me to point out one little fallacy in public perceptions of depressed people, which is that we manage to do the things we really like while avoiding the things we don't like.  The fact is, we avoid everything we possibly can.

3.  I get angry too easily when I'm struggling with this.  Over the years, I've learned to recognize this, and I can usually keep other people from noticing.  I don't actually get into huge fights with people, but it's emotionally draining to walk around full of anger. 

4.  I can't initiate anything.  Or create anything.  I can't write.  I can't program.  I can't be creative.  I can hear the question now, so let me answer it.  This isn't writing.  This is therapy.  I can write an email.  I can write a paragraph.  I can't write a whole article.  I can't create a presentation.  I can't make myself do anything that useful.

5.  I can respond.  I can troubleshoot.  I can answer questions.  I can solve problems.  I can comment on other blogs.  I can read Skype chats, but I'm unlikely to say anything.  Same goes for Twitter or Facebook or ... 

6.  There are some physical sensations associated with this, at least for me.  I feel a heavy weight on my chest (no, it's not a heart attack...).  My head feels thick and stuffy.  Mentally, I feel slow. 

7.  I'm not suicidal.  I have been in the past (once), so I'm not immune, but I've been depressed several dozen times over 20 years without it happening.  Nobody understands why people kill themselves, so let me try to explain it.  It's not supposed to make sense.  It's not rational, because the person in question has lost their ability to reason coherently.  I can tell you that, in my one instance, suicidal feelings stemmed from a perception of being trapped, that there was no way out of the misery I was feeling.  I can also tell you that I was, of course, not trapped in any way.  It's not reasonable, rational, or logical in any way.  Don't expect to understand it unless you're in the midst of it.  But know that there isn't something these people just don't understand about the importance of life.  They understand, but they don't care.  But my real point is that plenty of people who are NOT suicidal are depressed.  Being depressed does not automatically mean you are a danger to yourself (or others).  Every person is unique, no?

8.  Is anything exempt from my depression?  So far, my daughter is.  She essentially acts like depression kryptonite.  She doesn't cure the depression miraculously, but her presence pushes it into the background somehow.  Maybe she's so important that she doesn't need to go through the 'is this important' filter that the rest of the universe goes through?  Dunno, but I'm extremely happy that it works that way.  No kid should have to worry about their parents' issues - that's why we're the grownups. 

9.  What can I do to make it better?  Sometimes, reading old favorites helps.  It definitely helps to find small tasks that I can still accomplish.  Getting something done helps quite a bit.  Conversely, having a bunch of things you're supposed to do and making absolutely no progress on them makes things much worse.  Music can help.  Paradoxically, both being left alone AND getting out of the house can help, though in different ways.  Chocolate and caffeine help.  Sunshine helps a bit, but depressed people aren't likely to go looking for it. 

10.  What can YOU do to make it better?  Not much, I'm afraid.  Which annoys The Doctor quite a bit.  It would be nice if more people understood what depression really is, so that you could tell someone you're clinically depressed and not have them ask why you're sad.  Admittedly, it's a REALLY stupid name for the disorder. 

11.  I know I don't LOOK depressed.  I also don't LOOK anxious, even though I also have anxiety and I'm terrified by speaking in public.  I told you, you can't see it. 

That last one was mostly added so that this list could "go to eleven."  I trust my geeky readers (all 7 of you) got the reference?

Comments

1 - Thanks for putting this down. Over the years I've had the same (non)emotions. Unfortunately, this is a family thing as I've seen it in in my uncles and aunts, although, I haven't seen it i my siblings. Your point about lack of enthusiasm resonates with me. Projects which are conceived and fully developed in my head take forever to start and longer to complete. It all becomes as chore.

When I'm in a funk I'll either wait for it to pass while keeping myself out of the way of other people, or I'll exercise to burn it off.
In any case it's sucky state to be in and I hope it passes soon and leaves you in a better state of mind.

WAS

2 - From one sufferer to another, well-written and thanks for sharing where you're at.

3 - How the fuck am I supposed to feel sorry for someone that calls me a wee Irish bastard every time I meet... ;)

Take your time, be with what makes you feel better. We will be here waiting for you. (of course, I will be waiting for abuse when you are ready).


4 - Impressive write-up, thanks!
Does going to 11 help? It does for me. You can't dust for vomit, y'know...

5 - I hear you on this one, especially the part about "Paradoxically, both being left alone AND getting out of the house can help, though in different ways. "

Usually it runs its course and almost as equally as it came, it goes. The team's got you covered, take your time.

6 - Thanks for sharing. It does help your friends understand what you are going through. And remember, we ARE your friends, and we're here if you need to reach out in any way.

-Grey

7 - Rob,

I get a lot of people come to my Tae Kwon Do school with various issues. A good TKD instructor will help (not cure). Call me... I've helped a lot of people old and young.

I had one student, she was 14, parts of her brain just did not work(had half brain size), had depression, issues knowing left from right, all sorts of things. Her mother cried when she saw her spar like a normal kid.

Also had a doctor as a student suffered with depression, was medicating himself, now takes no medications at all. He still suffers, when he has issues he comes to class. He has to straighten up or else I'll hit him or someone else will when sparring.

I have many more stories, been teaching a lot of years, really, martial arts is more than just kicking and punching, it's a way of life that brings harmony to the soul.

I've met you, you are extreemly intelligent. Go do something. Martial Arts is just one thing to keep you busy, make your mind work differently.



John
The SilentDragon
Unified Tae Kwon Do, Chung Moo, O-Heng, Mudo




8 - Part of me wants to initiate a group hug.

The other part of me wishes to remind you that I have personally witnessed these supposed "friends of yours" use bad (BAD) language in front of your daughter AND have taken (and shared) blackmail quality pics of you at Admin2007... that night....in that room......

Are you sure a group hug with these thugs is something you want?

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9 - Some links..

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10 - Rob, thanks for writing this - I appreciate the insight. As for the list, couldn't you just have number 10 be louder?

11 - one more...

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12 - I was going to suggest Aikido as a means to deal with it, when I saw comment number 7 about Taekwondo. John "The Silent Dragon" goes on about his Taekwondo, I could go on (and on and on) about the benefits of Aikido practice. The difference is irrelevant. My point is that there is a lot to oriental Martial Arts that seems to help people with a variety of health problems, either physical of mental (or both, there's no real divide). Over the years I've seen many people getting to grips with all kinds of problems. And I can relate to the story of the crying parent watching their offspring be able to things they had never expected.

So, my suggestion is, find a good Martial Arts school, and try it. It works for many of my students... and myself, I might add.

John (different one from comment 7)


13 - Thanks for posting this. One thing I've found helps is knowing I'm not alone dealing with this condition. Reading how others suffer from depression and have the same challenges I do helps give me the motivation to overcome them.

I've tried tai chi and goju-ryu karate in the past. Something about the concentration needed in martial arts works better than just going for a walk in my experiences.

You're bang-on about revisiting old loved books. Every time I get hit with a bad bout I run for my copy of Lord of the Rings. Or Katherine Kurtz novels. They do wonders for me.

Music is a huge help too. Making it or listening, it lifts the soul.

The single biggest thing that helps is having someone in your life who can give you that reason to get up and moving. Thank God you've got your daughter to motivate you. It's almost magical how kids can clear that black cloud away and leave us feeling "normal" again.

Good luck and God bless. Hope you're feeling better soon.

Russell

14 - Thanks for posting this, Rob. My experience over the past year and a half is that when you actually try and explain how you feel to anyone, it just makes you sound like a horrid, selfish person so the self-loathing just sort of increases and the cycle repeats.
"What do you mean you don't want to get out of bed in the morning because there's no point? Did you lose your job?" Ummm, no. "Is something wrong with you or a family members health?" Umm, no. "Because it sounds like you've got it pretty good, there's lots of other people out there who have REAL things to make them upset."
You have done a great job of explaining how you feel... thanks for sharing.

15 - Yo Cuz!

When you come over to "god's sod" i will take you to the quiet places. When I get plagued with something similar to what you describe going to the quiet places helps :)

Like all the above, your chums both near and far are here if and when you need us!

Steve




16 - Dude!

Hang on in there. We'll be here for ya.

---* Bill

17 - Wow, Rob, that's one of the most powerful things I've read lately. I've never had to deal with depression like you're describing, but I wish there was something I could do to help.

I can, though, echo everybody else's opnion about martial arts. More specifically, I find *any* form of physical workout activity to be incredibly mood-boosting. I work out doing intense cardio and free-on a regular basis, and I've definitely noticed that even the crappiest day seems to be made better by an hour of sweating my butt off. They say it releases endorphins, and I'd have to agree.

Give it a shot. Heck, try to incorporate your daughter into your workouts too, e.g. a martial art at a dojo. Double win!

P.S. Love the "11" reference.

18 - Sorry, that should've been "I work out doing intense cardio and free-weights on a regular basis,"

19 - Hi Rob,

I have to confess I have a huge backlog of Notes-related blogs to read and so this post came as something of a surprise. We've only met/chatted once or twice before (on ILUG2007 I think) and you indeed LOOKED cheerful always - thus proving point 11 above Emoticon

Anyway I don't think it's a matter of sympathy (I've had my share of that and I don't like it either), but obviously people that know you and enjoy your company get worried about your welfare.

Any and all advice depend from person to person, and the results also depend from person to person. This said, I agree with the people above that suggested Martial Arts - might be worth a try.

Abuse from fellow Notes buddies also helps I'm sure, but can't have that every day, right? Emoticon

All the best,
Pedro

20 - rob this is one of the best written blog posts about ANYTHING i've ever read.

this is also real courage.

thank you.

we are all honored to be able to read it. i think that, the thing is, you are honoring yourself, deeply, in writing it. i love that.

namaste, beautiful man.

21 - I suspect you already know this; but, ...

Write and write and write. Externalizing what's going on in your head will free up space and enable you to cope with larger issues.

Depression is like mental thrashing -- so many interrupts occur that you don't have time to resolve any of them. Finding external representation is key. Keep on writing!

22 - Yeah -- martial arts. Not for the spiritual angle, mind you, nor for the maintenance of overall physical well-being, but as an aid to visualising the injuring and maiming of those who insist on trying to cheer you up. (Just knowing you could do it if you wanted to seems to cause a flood-level release of serotonin. Trust me, it's better than comfort food and requires less initiative than kicking kittens. Always helped me.) And I know what you mean about your daughter -- my stepdaughters seemed to emanate some sort of antifunk radiation I couldn't block. Love's like that, I guess.

I count more than seven here, Rob, and at least one of us had to spend a half-hour typing a comment. Oh, and you could have made the list go to 20. That's nine more, innit? (Unavoidable meta-reference.)

23 - WOW!

Thanks for sharing that. I'm very impressed, both with how you said it and that you said it at all.

Your post made me thing off something else I had read a long time ago by Tom Peters: { Link }

24 - What helped me over periods I call "the long dark 5 o'clock tea of the soul" is physical activity. I started with long swims (50, 60 laps) and later added Tai Chi and Wushu practice. I guess any martial art (like suggested earlier) will do. My experience tells me, that a body in motion realigns perspectives to reality.
Good luck!

25 - Good article, Rob.

I used to suffer from the black dog - not any more (touch wood). A good friend was ruled by it - it took a spell in prison to get him out of it (I hope).

I don't want to hijack, but I am interested in the large number of martial arts recommendations, and in particular the specific reference to the benefits of "oriental" martial arts. What's wrong with occidental? My school in Sydney, where we teach 15th century German Fechtkunst/Kampfringen, is a bit far to invite you to, but there are similar schools nearer where you are.

Lots of possibilities. Stay well.

Sorry I missed your session at LS. It was on my list, but I was listening to the blasphemers instead.

AB

26 - Rob, I want to thank you for sharing your story. I know it's ot easy to share this type of personal information, particularly when not every one understands what it's like, but by doing so, you have helped me and no doubt others who have similar experiences, and may not really know why.

I just happened to stumble in here from another link on a page with goodies from Lotusphere. It's funny how just clicking a link looking for one thing (Lotus stuff) can lead you down a whole different path!

I also experience depression,(and havebeen dealing with a raging flair up lately) and until yesterday, when I first read your post I couldn't pinpoint what I was experiencing. I Googled Clinical Depression - although my symptoms don't meet the criteria. Then I clicked on your link to your previous post, where someone posted a comment about dealing with Dysthymia, so I Googled that...a little closer to my experience, but still not quite...then I saw a link from one of those pages to Atypical Depression. Bingo! For the first time I found the criteria of what I have experienced for over 30 years! I don't know why I hadn't found this description before, but there it was. I made an appt with my medical Dr. to rule out any medical issues, and hopefully find a good treatment option to manage it.

Thanks again... and on another note....as I like to tell my co-workers (I'm the Lone Notes Developer)... Notes Rules! Emoticon

27 - Rob,
thanks for sharing your story, you are really brave to write about your disease, something that's so hard to explain to others, something which seems not rational to most people.

If I give you a slap on the back maybe you will not recover from the "black beast", but at least you will know somebody care about your friendship. Emoticon


Cris

28 - Brave man! I can appreciate some of your views, very personally when I was a youth, for about a 8 year period. I won't offer any cliche's :) because often times I was too troubled feel good about the fact that everyone had "THE" answer, like I had never thought about it. In some cases, I hadn't but would try, ... and in other cases I would say "I tried that already". However, I always appreciated their love and willingness to help. I think for me personally, It was the total sum of many things that in the whole helped me. In other words, I think I was trying to change my entire Gestalt view of life and living all at once. For me, I focused on areas of my life one by one. Behavior is DAMNED hard to change. In any event, I think each person has their own approach that CAN (not WILL) work for them. Karate for me HELPED, but on it's own wasn't enough, people, hobbies, religion, ... No one thing fixed me, and that was the problem, for me, it wasn't just ONE thing. In any event, I tried to focus on what I could change about me or my perceptions on a one by one basis. Socratic method of "how I feel", "Why do I", ... helped me triangulate where to focus.

After a horrible fire, the roman citizens asked Hadrian "how will we rebuild this?", and he his reply was "Brick by Brick, my citizens, Brick by Brick".
ok, I gave you one cliche' but it was free. :) My poor analogy, about behavior for me needed to focus on the bricks of my behavior, personality, perceptions, ... and not on how I perceived or felt as a whole.

In any event, my real point is, no ones "one answer" helped me. I noticed that the less that I focused on the whole, the easier it became to notice the perceptions, or the areas that I could address. This was personally for ME, my own Point of View.

All I can do for you is, you obviously have a lot of friends here. I don't know you well. I think you kind of skipped by me. However, a man with this many friends can't be all bad. Like I tell my people, let's take the list of what we know that is good. What do we have that works? Let's start there, and triage the areas that we need to fix. You do this already. You mentioned your daughter.

but like you said "Depressed people are likely to go looking for it.".

Wish you the best of luck.
Brent

29 - Also, for me, I recognize that often medication is required. I firmly believe there CAN be a chemical basis (enzymatic) that can cause issues. For me, and I am unique vs most, I often times felt that medication made it worse. Like you I also had a correlation between depression and anxiety. This was also a key element in understanding for me.

30 - My doctor tells me that exercise releases into the body some of the same chemicals that the meds containt.

So, yay. Exercise helps me (and yes, it's always all about me) feel better. Unfortunately, it's that first 2 or 3 trips to the gym that are the hardest part.
Can't get off the couch to go to the gym because I'm depressed ... but going to the gym helps the depression ... but I can't get off the couch because I'm depressed ...

For me, it's more frustrating when family members try to "help" by strenuously encouraging me to go out or get to the gym. They think they're trying to help, but for me, they're not. They're making it worse because I feel like I'm wasting my life/time. So I feel more down.

Nasty cycle. And then there's the part of me that just thinks I'm really lazy, and using depression as an excuse. And then I feel more down.

Maybe I'll try to get to the gym tomorrow ...

31 - Number eight brought tears to my eyes, because it's how I feel about Nora. I've had a tough time with depression since my miscarriage, and she has been so instrumental in my journey towards recovery. I agree that depression (and, I would add, the pain of miscarriage/postpartum depression) needs to be talked about more openly. I'm glad you have to courage to do it... and yes, it does take courage.

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