What does it mean to be a Massachusetts Liberal?
President Bush and his team have recently revived an old tradition among the GOP: bashing Massachusetts. They accuse John Kerry of being a Massachusetts Liberal, as though that were anything to be ashamed about. Folks who only listen to the Republicans, or possibly those who live in other parts of the country and haven't visited New England, may actually believe there IS something wrong with that. I recently read a charming little diatribe against the people of Massachusetts on one arch-conservative blog (no link, you can figure out where it was pretty easily if you are really interested), which basically said if you're from Massachusetts you're too liberal to be allowed to live. So I'd like to take this opportunity (it's my blog, and I'll invent my own opportunities wherever I want, so there...) to set the record straight about what liberals from Massachusetts actually believe. Note: this will be a generalization, of course - plenty of Massachusetts citizens aren't liberal at all, and quite a few of us are more liberal than others. Bear in mind that all sweeping generalizations are inherently false. Including that last one. Ouch, damn paradox!
True or false: people from Massachusetts are socially liberal? True. No question about it, the average citizen of Massachusetts is more socially liberal than the average citizen of Alabama. Whether this is a bad thing or not depends on whether you think all people are truly created equal. Are women equal to men? Blacks equal to whites? Gays equal to straights? The average Massachusetts citizen will answer yes to all three questions, and will support legislation that enforces that equality (because society has demonstrated over the last several centuries that without such legislation there will be no such equality). The average social conservative may offer lip service to one or two of those questions, but will not vote in such a way as to support the disenfranchised.
True or false: people from Massachusetts are fiscally liberal (as in "tax and spend liberals")? False. No, really. I'm serious. This is the single largest misconception about Massachusetts Liberals in general, and John Kerry in particular. What the Republicans conveniently ignore (and would like undecided voters to remain ignorant of) is the simple fact that most people who live in Massachusetts are Yankees. No, not the kind that wear pinstripes (damn them!) and beat up on people wearing red socks. The kind that are legendary for their basic frugality. Waste not, want not? A Yankee saying. But wait, you're thinking: isn't Massachusetts the most highly taxed state in the union? Not even close. At one time (the 1970s) Massachusetts earned the label Taxachusetts, but that era was short-lived. Currently, Massachusetts is in the top five LEAST taxed states in the country, based on state taxes. Our federal income taxes are higher than most other states, but that's simply because salaries in Massachusetts are higher than average and federal income taxes are graduated.
There was some noise recently around a report showing that "blue" states pay more in taxes than "red" states, and contribute significantly more to the federal budget than they receive in benefits (in "red" states the trend is reversed) and certainly my state bears that out. But you won't hear the proverbial Massachusetts Liberal complain that his tax dollars are supporting folks from Mississippi, because he believes that, as Barack Obama said in his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, "I AM my brother's keeper. I AM my sister's keeper." That's a traditionally liberal position to take, but to understand it from the perspective of a Massachusetts Liberal you have to apply Yankee common sense and fiscal responsibility to it: "And I can't support social justice or enhance my siblings' opportunities unless I have a solid financial foundation." In other words, Yankee Liberals believe in the "pay as you go" style of government budgets. FYI, John Kerry has pledged to run the federal government under that rule. He's a Yankee and a Massachusetts Liberal; that pledge is entirely consistent with his (and the state's) character.
By the way, in case you're wondering who the most liberal Senator really IS (as reported by the National Journal, the publication the Bush campaign cites as their source), here's the top ten list. Note that John Kerry is not on it (oh, all right, he's 11th - the horror... John Edwards, by the way, is 27th out of 48 Democratic Senators, which would make him pretty damn moderate by any logic):
1. Mark Dayton, D-Minn.
2. Paul Sarbanes, D-Md.
3. Jack Reed, D-R.I.
4. Jon Corzine, D-N.J.
5. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
6. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.
7. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
8. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.
9. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J.
10. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt
National Journal, by the way, has an article online about the misuse of their statistics. Worth reading.
True or false: people from Massachusetts are socially liberal? True. No question about it, the average citizen of Massachusetts is more socially liberal than the average citizen of Alabama. Whether this is a bad thing or not depends on whether you think all people are truly created equal. Are women equal to men? Blacks equal to whites? Gays equal to straights? The average Massachusetts citizen will answer yes to all three questions, and will support legislation that enforces that equality (because society has demonstrated over the last several centuries that without such legislation there will be no such equality). The average social conservative may offer lip service to one or two of those questions, but will not vote in such a way as to support the disenfranchised.
True or false: people from Massachusetts are fiscally liberal (as in "tax and spend liberals")? False. No, really. I'm serious. This is the single largest misconception about Massachusetts Liberals in general, and John Kerry in particular. What the Republicans conveniently ignore (and would like undecided voters to remain ignorant of) is the simple fact that most people who live in Massachusetts are Yankees. No, not the kind that wear pinstripes (damn them!) and beat up on people wearing red socks. The kind that are legendary for their basic frugality. Waste not, want not? A Yankee saying. But wait, you're thinking: isn't Massachusetts the most highly taxed state in the union? Not even close. At one time (the 1970s) Massachusetts earned the label Taxachusetts, but that era was short-lived. Currently, Massachusetts is in the top five LEAST taxed states in the country, based on state taxes. Our federal income taxes are higher than most other states, but that's simply because salaries in Massachusetts are higher than average and federal income taxes are graduated.
There was some noise recently around a report showing that "blue" states pay more in taxes than "red" states, and contribute significantly more to the federal budget than they receive in benefits (in "red" states the trend is reversed) and certainly my state bears that out. But you won't hear the proverbial Massachusetts Liberal complain that his tax dollars are supporting folks from Mississippi, because he believes that, as Barack Obama said in his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, "I AM my brother's keeper. I AM my sister's keeper." That's a traditionally liberal position to take, but to understand it from the perspective of a Massachusetts Liberal you have to apply Yankee common sense and fiscal responsibility to it: "And I can't support social justice or enhance my siblings' opportunities unless I have a solid financial foundation." In other words, Yankee Liberals believe in the "pay as you go" style of government budgets. FYI, John Kerry has pledged to run the federal government under that rule. He's a Yankee and a Massachusetts Liberal; that pledge is entirely consistent with his (and the state's) character.
By the way, in case you're wondering who the most liberal Senator really IS (as reported by the National Journal, the publication the Bush campaign cites as their source), here's the top ten list. Note that John Kerry is not on it (oh, all right, he's 11th - the horror... John Edwards, by the way, is 27th out of 48 Democratic Senators, which would make him pretty damn moderate by any logic):
1. Mark Dayton, D-Minn.
2. Paul Sarbanes, D-Md.
3. Jack Reed, D-R.I.
4. Jon Corzine, D-N.J.
5. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
6. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.
7. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
8. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.
9. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J.
10. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt
National Journal, by the way, has an article online about the misuse of their statistics. Worth reading.
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Comments
Have you always lived in Mass?
Posted by David Bohlin At 08:16:11 AM On 10/13/2004 | - Website - |
Always lived in Mass? Yep, I'm a native, born and bred.
Posted by Captain O At 10:30:10 AM On 10/13/2004 | - Website - |
Someone should teach Republicans (yup, a sweeping generalization) about tolerance. GRRR!!!
Posted by Jackson At 12:23:22 PM On 10/15/2004 | - Website - |
#1 - Mark Dayton from MN. Reality is, he's too cheap to spend his own money on causes, so he'd rather spend everyone else's.
BTW - there are a lot of people who believe they are their brother's keeper, but cannot figure out what giving money to the government has to do with taking care of their brother, me included. The government does too lousy a job of it.
Posted by jon johnston At 02:38:11 PM On 10/15/2004 | - Website - |
http://www.slate.com/id/2108210/
P.
Posted by Pumpkin At 03:08:46 PM On 10/15/2004 | - Website - |
Seriously, though, while Teddy is as wide as he is tall, has more chins than even Rush Limbaugh, drinks like a fish, and has an accent that has become a caricature of itself, he gets re-elected for one significant reason: he's good at his job. Bear in mind that he's the Senator from Massachusetts, not the Senator from Alabama. Conservatives hate him, but that doesn't make him an ineffective Senator. He has the seniority and the clout to be taken seriously in Washington on any issue. He is SUPPOSED to be one of the most liberal Senators in the country - that's what we sent him to DC to do. People in Massachusetts are fully cognizant of our role in national politics: along with New York and California, we are the liberal counter-weight to arch-conservatives in the heartland. That is why we will frequently elect Republican governors (though we prefer the socially liberal side of the GOP, as Mitt Romney will discover to his chagrin if he runs for re-election [expectations inside Mass are that he's aiming for Washington]) to balance our Democratic legislature, but send NOTHING but Democrats to the federal government. When will Teddy be beaten in an election? When he starts doing a bad job for the people of Massachusetts. My advice to the rest of the country, if they're waiting for Teddy to be defeated by a Republican: don't hold your breath...
So to answer your direct question, both: yes he's that good of a Senator, and yes we do enjoy being a PITA to the more conservative parts of the country (few liberals or moderates are terribly bothered by His Rotundity).
By the way, the idea that the federal government is incapable of running social programs always cracks me up. The argument that the programs themselves are an inherently bad idea, while I disagree with it profoundly, makes more sense to me. The idea that big corporations can run things effectively (and idea I would dispute but most Republicans would agree with), but a big government cannot is, um, just a tiny bit inconsistent. And the theory that people would voluntarily, out of the goodness of their hearts, give enough money to non-federal charities to provide the same services is more than a little bit naive. I'd like to live in a world where people behaved that way, but unfortunately I have to live in the real world. And in the real world, social programs are necessary, and only if they're run on a federal level do we maintain equity across rich states and poor states. Otherwise, Massachusetts would have top-notch social programs, but Mississippi would have people starving to death in the streets.
Posted by Captain O At 06:12:56 PM On 10/15/2004 | - Website - |
If you like, rather than argue with them, point them to this website and let them argue with me. *evil grin*
Posted by Captain O At 06:26:51 PM On 10/15/2004 | - Website - |
Rock
Posted by Rock At 06:07:03 AM On 10/19/2004 | - Website - |
Posted by Captain O At 07:24:33 AM On 10/19/2004 | - Website - |
I don't see where you get he was a pacifist.
Posted by jon johnston At 04:41:22 AM On 10/20/2004 | - Website - |
I don't get how you can think Jesus was pro-violence. Really.
Posted by Rob McDonagh At 05:53:24 AM On 10/20/2004 | - Website - |
Christ also preached about protecting the weak and innocent. The moral dilemma comes when you don't have a choice but to use violence to do it. That is not pacifism - at least not by the defintion I'd use.
(my browser is having a heckuva time right now.... argh)
Posted by jon johnston At 09:39:36 AM On 10/20/2004 | - Website - |
To a pacifist (which I'm not, don't get me wrong), the question is entirely black and white, by the way. Pacifists will not even defend themselves. One way the military always caught people who were just pretending pacifism to avoid combat was to ask how they'd react if their family was attacked.
Posted by Rob McDonagh At 09:59:42 AM On 10/20/2004 | - Website - |
We have somewhat the same perception regarding pacifism - most people tend to throw the term around loosely. When I think of pacificists, I think of the Quakers - true pacifists. Medics. In fact, the only true pacifists I've ever been around were Quakers, or raised with a Quaker education.
Your reference to Peter - Christ said - "... for those who draw the sword shall be destroyed by the sword". There are some arguments with regards to whether this applies to individuals specifically (non-retaliation in place of retribution, which before Christ was scripturally okay - Exodus - that "eye for an eye" stuff that people use all the time as an excuse) or to a group or nation.
Juxtapose that with Romans 13:4 with regards to the 'state' or established authority and states '.... But if you do wrong, then be alarmed, for it (the state, established authority) does not carry the sword without reason; it is God's agent to bring deserved punishment to the evildoer (there's THAT word!!!! LOL!). If we're being very specific, obviously the Romans bit was by Paul, not Christ, so you've got that going for you too.
To be honest, I usually hear the response about the commandment 'thou shalt not kill' - The commandment is more properly translated as 'thou shalt not murder' - which involves personal vendettas or acts by individuals.
And to be even more honest, my original post was placed when I had a Dialogic board in a voicemail system kicking my butt, was up at 4:00 am and was particuarly cranky about it.
If nothing else, you've made me go back and take a look at my position, and I'll probably keep reading a little further on it. I should probably just admit you're right, but I'm too darned stubborn. :)
With regards to big goverment vs. big corporate efficiency from earlier - I don't think either is particularly efficient. And maybe I am naive to think that people would generally help each other out, but I'm from a rural background where people (even though they may not particuarly like each other) have to help each other to a certain extent because when disasters hit (tornadoes in my part of the country)- they have to help each other to survive. One year your farm might get destroyed, but the next year it might be your neighbor's. If you're not helping him, don't count on them helping you when the time comes.
We do need social programs, but geez, this many? And do we need to create more? I don't agree with that. Unfortunately, neither party seems interested in spending less or creating less.
Speaking of evildoers, the Yankees are done. Probably the only whole MLB game I'll watch this year. Not a bad choice, eh?
Good night.
Posted by jon johnston At 08:56:38 PM On 10/20/2004 | - Website - |
Thanks
Posted by seeing eye chick At 06:26:51 PM On 10/17/2008 | - Website - |
<br />Thanks
Posted by seeing eye chick At 06:26:57 PM On 10/17/2008 | - Website - |
Posted by Conor Hooven At 08:56:17 PM On 06/08/2009 | - Website - |
Since you mentioned 1913, you must be bent out of shape about the income tax. That attitude always strikes me as bizarre. The income tax wasn't our first tax. 1913 wasn't even the first time we HAD an income tax, it's just the most recent contiguous one. If you're going to be consistent, shouldn't you just oppose ALL taxes? At least I can understand that stance. People who support excise taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc, but not income taxes are just plain not making sense.
PS Commenting on a 2004 post?!? Are you trolling every liberal site you can find?
Posted by Captain O At 10:10:51 AM On 06/09/2009 | - Website - |